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and so after the news conference, john mccain went to the senate floor for his own televised rebuttal, taking on the president and the future of ambassador rice. >> if the president thinks that we are picking on people, he really does not have any idea of how serious this issue is. >> reporter: serious enough that some republican senators stepped forward after the president's news conference, repeating their vow to stop president obama from nominating u.s. ambassador rice from becoming the next secretary of state. >> she has says this was not a pre-planned attack, why was that done? >> reporter: for weeks, the republicans have expressed their anger with rice, urging her to explain the appearances regarding the video and the protest over benghazi. >> this is in response to a hateful video. >> i have grave concerns. answers from ambassador rice before i could support her for any position. >> this president and this administration has either been guilty of colossal incompetent acts or engaged in a cover-up, neither of which are acceptable to the american people. >> reporter: also today,
and so after the news conference, john mccain went to the senate floor for his own televised rebuttal, taking on the president and the future of ambassador rice. >> if the president thinks that we are picking on people, he really does not have any idea of how serious this issue is. >> reporter: serious enough that some republican senators stepped forward after the president's news conference, repeating their vow to stop president obama from nominating u.s. ambassador rice from...
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john mccain says if that's the case, he will block it. tracie potts, nbc 11 news, washington. >>> back here at home a high-flying start-up is grounded. >> the eureka zeppelin will fly no more. the zeppelin, a common sight over the bay area. it had several sponsors painted over the side over a couple of years. farmers insurance, 23 and me, even nickelodeon. but it said it wasn't able to generator enough sponsors to keep flying. the ceo says, it is with a very heavy heart that we've come to this point requiring us to cease operations and ground eureka. >>> here's a successful company. if you bought apple stock no later than last monday, you will get money today. $2.65 for every share you own. a total dividend being paid out of $2.5 billion. all of this coming out of apple into people's pockets this morning. now, $2.5 billion into the economy is a tremendous amount of money. but really jon and marla, a fraction of what apple has stuff into the mattresses. it's in the hundreds of billions of dollar that is they have cash on hand. >> you need
john mccain says if that's the case, he will block it. tracie potts, nbc 11 news, washington. >>> back here at home a high-flying start-up is grounded. >> the eureka zeppelin will fly no more. the zeppelin, a common sight over the bay area. it had several sponsors painted over the side over a couple of years. farmers insurance, 23 and me, even nickelodeon. but it said it wasn't able to generator enough sponsors to keep flying. the ceo says, it is with a very heavy heart that...
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mccain. >>> si quieren perseguir a alguien, que se entiendan conmigo. >>> el presidente barack obama no aclaró si él enviará un plan al congreso, con los puntos de una reforma migratoria, lourdes meluzá, univisión. >>> una semana después de haber perdido las elecciones presidenciales, el excandidato republicano mitt romney achacó la derrota a los votantes demócratas, también dio la posibilidad que algunos reciban atención médica gratis. >>> las autoridades enfocaron la atención, a jill kelley que fue prohibido su acceso a una base en la florida, y a paula broadwell que se le retiró el acceso a informes clasificados, los investigadores analizan documentos y correos electrónicos de las dos mujeres. >>> aunque la trama cada vez es más complicada, paula broadwell parece tranquila y jill kelley no pierde su glamour, ambas mujeres están en un escándalo que implica a las más altas personas del país. >>> el general john allen está haciendo un trabajo excelente y sigue teniendo mi confianza, suspewnder su nominación como comandante de la otan es ua buena decisión . >>> t
mccain. >>> si quieren perseguir a alguien, que se entiendan conmigo. >>> el presidente barack obama no aclaró si él enviará un plan al congreso, con los puntos de una reforma migratoria, lourdes meluzá, univisión. >>> una semana después de haber perdido las elecciones presidenciales, el excandidato republicano mitt romney achacó la derrota a los votantes demócratas, también dio la posibilidad que algunos reciban atención médica gratis. >>> las...
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he was asked to respond to a criticism from an old rival, john mccain. >> good afternoon, everybody. >> reporter: he was aloof, and at times, confident. and aggressive at times at times. in his first press conference since winning a second term. his main goal, making a case that the public support fully the tax hike on the rich. >> everybody understood that that was an important debate, the majority of voters agreed with me, by the way, more agreed with me on the issue than voted for me. >> reporter: he also made clear that the bush tax cuts for the top 2% will go away, but left new wiggle room on how it would be determined. >> what i am not going to do is extend further a tax cut for folks who don't need it do is stepped further tax cuts for people who don't need it. >> reporter: he encouraged growing common ground between the two parties. >> i'm open to compromise and new ideas. >> reporter: after an opening statement, mr. obama immediately faced questions on how the petraeus scandal affected his white house. >> i have no evidence at this point from what i've seen that classified i
he was asked to respond to a criticism from an old rival, john mccain. >> good afternoon, everybody. >> reporter: he was aloof, and at times, confident. and aggressive at times at times. in his first press conference since winning a second term. his main goal, making a case that the public support fully the tax hike on the rich. >> everybody understood that that was an important debate, the majority of voters agreed with me, by the way, more agreed with me on the issue than...
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senator john mccain and other republicans are now calling for a watergate still select committee. >> ambassador chris stevens. >> there is no credibility among methamphetamine of us concerning the administration and the numerous controversies and contradictions that have been involved in their handling of this issue. >> reporter: gop leads are say they would block any attempt to confirm susan rice as the new secretary of state if she is nominated. >> if senator mccain and senator graham want to go after somebody, they should go after me. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received is outrageous. >> reporter: it was later discovered the killings were a coordinated terrorist attack. in washington, steve centanni, fox news. fox news. >>> the washington wizards fell to the dallas mavericks last night dropping to 0-7 on the season. that is just one loss short of franchise worst start they had last year when they lot of their first eight games. >> we still have plenty ahead
senator john mccain and other republicans are now calling for a watergate still select committee. >> ambassador chris stevens. >> there is no credibility among methamphetamine of us concerning the administration and the numerous controversies and contradictions that have been involved in their handling of this issue. >> reporter: gop leads are say they would block any attempt to confirm susan rice as the new secretary of state if she is nominated. >> if senator mccain...
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we will get with john mccain in them as well as the hearing on the benghazi attack. >>> 8 minutes after the hour. maria molina gets wiupdates us weather. >> the storm pushed off the shore and we will see a return to sunny skies across the portions of the northeast in the next couple days. it will continue to be cold out there. i am sure a lot of people are noticing that early this morning. we will see the storm developing and pretty quiet across northeast. as we head southbound not much going on but there will be a storm developing as we head into the day today and tomorrow. that will be producing rain so you may have weather related delays. storm should be offshore by friday. we have to track another storm that could potentially impact travel for thanksgiving. we are looking at many models that are basically turning out the storm system. 37 degrees 35 in clove land. 20s in chicago. a lot better in the southwest teens and 20s widespread. early morning 36 now minneapolis and 45 over in kansas city. high temperatures near normal across portions of the central plains. northeast 48 would be
we will get with john mccain in them as well as the hearing on the benghazi attack. >>> 8 minutes after the hour. maria molina gets wiupdates us weather. >> the storm pushed off the shore and we will see a return to sunny skies across the portions of the northeast in the next couple days. it will continue to be cold out there. i am sure a lot of people are noticing that early this morning. we will see the storm developing and pretty quiet across northeast. as we head southbound...
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. >> senator john mccain joins me now. you said you are going to block susan rice's nomination if president obama nominates her. her supporters say she was repeating the assessment she had been given about the benghazi attack. a spokesperson confirmed that they confirmed the attack and later the assessment changed do you not believe that? >> well first of all, talking points came from the white house not from the dmi. it was obvious within the 24 hours that the station chief from the cia had said that this was a terrorist attack. it was obvious to one and all that this was not a quote spontaneous demonstration because in realtime, they saw that there was no demonstration. ms. rise, i hope, saw ambassador rise, i hope, saw when i was on "face the nation" that immediately after she spoke, the head of the national assembly said it was an al qaeda attack. every one new that. and she continued to tell the world through all the talkshows that, that it was a quote spontaneous demonstration sparked by a video. that is not competen
. >> senator john mccain joins me now. you said you are going to block susan rice's nomination if president obama nominates her. her supporters say she was repeating the assessment she had been given about the benghazi attack. a spokesperson confirmed that they confirmed the attack and later the assessment changed do you not believe that? >> well first of all, talking points came from the white house not from the dmi. it was obvious within the 24 hours that the station chief from...
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. >> reporter: senators john mccain and lindsey graham said rice was either lying or incompetent when she made this statement five days after the attack. >> we don't have information at present that leads us to conclude this was premeditated or preplanned. >> reporter: president obama said the ambassador was presenting the intelligence information she was given. he challenged those who attacked ambassador rice. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody they should go after me. >> reporter: senator mccain accepted that offer. >> the president of the united states, the commander-in-chief is the most responsible and i hope the president has no illusions about our view of his responsibility. >> reporter: mccain and graham want a watergate style committee to investigate the benghazi attack. and general petraeus will testify here on capitol hill tomorrow morning at 7:30 a.m. back to you. >>> president obama and republicans in congress have staked out their position on the so-called fiscal cliff. that's the package of tax increase and spending cuts schedule
. >> reporter: senators john mccain and lindsey graham said rice was either lying or incompetent when she made this statement five days after the attack. >> we don't have information at present that leads us to conclude this was premeditated or preplanned. >> reporter: president obama said the ambassador was presenting the intelligence information she was given. he challenged those who attacked ambassador rice. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to...
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i hope it dissipates soon. >> senator john mccain joins me now. senator, you said today you plan to do everything in your power to block susan rice's nomination to be secretary of state if president obama nominates her. supporters say she was simply repeating the earlier assessment about the benghazi attack. a spokesperson confirmed in late september that we disseminated the information, and it was only later the intelligence assessment changed. do you not believe the dni? >> well, first of all, talking points came from the white house, not from the dni. but, second of all, it was obvious within 24 hours that the station chief from the cia said this was a terrorist attack. obvious to one and all that this was not a "spontaneous demonstration." in real time, they saw there was no demonstration. the -- ms. rice, i hope saw am -- ambassador rice i hope saw that immediately after she spoke, the head of the libyan national assembly, the president of it, said this was an al qaeda attack. everybody knew it was an al qaeda attack, and she continued to tel
i hope it dissipates soon. >> senator john mccain joins me now. senator, you said today you plan to do everything in your power to block susan rice's nomination to be secretary of state if president obama nominates her. supporters say she was simply repeating the earlier assessment about the benghazi attack. a spokesperson confirmed in late september that we disseminated the information, and it was only later the intelligence assessment changed. do you not believe the dni? >> well,...
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the president and john mccain had a little bit of a history. they went back and forth on what was initially revealed about the benghazi attacks. what do you anticipate will come of that? >> reporter: remember susan rice five days after said she thought it had to do with the protests and not with a coordinated attack, which turned out not to be the case. republicans, including john mccain, jumped all over that saying if they send her name to the hill as a possible candidate for secretary of state, and that has been talked about, he's going to absolutely block that. he doesn't think she gets her facts straight. the president said she was being used as an easy target. they were trying to besmirch her reputation. he called it outrageous and said they should go after me. >> the slugfest continues. tracie potts, thank you very much. >>> well, this afternoon as well, talking about president obama, he is going to tour some of the areas hardest hit by superstorm sandy. the president will meet with families, local officials and first responders who have
the president and john mccain had a little bit of a history. they went back and forth on what was initially revealed about the benghazi attacks. what do you anticipate will come of that? >> reporter: remember susan rice five days after said she thought it had to do with the protests and not with a coordinated attack, which turned out not to be the case. republicans, including john mccain, jumped all over that saying if they send her name to the hill as a possible candidate for secretary...
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it prompted a strong response from president obama and you'll hear from senator john mccain, who's a guest on the program. also in the president's news conference today, questions about the investigations in the affair that forced the resignation of david petraeus. new information still coming out. we'll bring you that and our ininvestigation into the dr. kelley cancer foundation that raised $157,000 in contributions and spent the same amount on expenses. no record of cancer research or care. >> our fifth story "outfront", susan rice, the lightening rod. president obama fiercely defended his u.n. ambassador today after republicans threatened to block her possible nomination for secretary of state. senators including john mccain and lindsey graham say what led americans surrounded the attacks in benghazi. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi? and was simply making a presentation based on inte
it prompted a strong response from president obama and you'll hear from senator john mccain, who's a guest on the program. also in the president's news conference today, questions about the investigations in the affair that forced the resignation of david petraeus. new information still coming out. we'll bring you that and our ininvestigation into the dr. kelley cancer foundation that raised $157,000 in contributions and spent the same amount on expenses. no record of cancer research or care....
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but that's basically what john mccain and lindsey graham are saying. that she wasn't responsible for benghazi, so why did the white house put her out there? and they're saying only for political rains. and they criticize ambassador rice forot asking more questions. she got a briefing. she got a briefing on the latest intelligence, says the white house. the white house says they're the ones that put her out there. so if what she said turns out not to be true later, they should take the blame. but, boy, what a fierce defense. i'm not holding my breath much longer on seeing who his nominee is probably going to be for secretary of state. >> and wants to have a fight. interesting, though, there's no greater defender of david petraeus, we'll talk about in a moment, than john mccain. he has been a longtime champion. and she got intelligence briefing, that was coming from david petraeus, isn't that right? >> that was certainly contributed to by david petraeus, and jim clapper and they were pretty critical of clapper, but i didn't hear much criticism of petraeu
but that's basically what john mccain and lindsey graham are saying. that she wasn't responsible for benghazi, so why did the white house put her out there? and they're saying only for political rains. and they criticize ambassador rice forot asking more questions. she got a briefing. she got a briefing on the latest intelligence, says the white house. the white house says they're the ones that put her out there. so if what she said turns out not to be true later, they should take the blame....
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>> yeah, the fact is john mccain, reporters ran out of questions to ask him. i mean, he would talk for -- >> eight-hour rolling press conferences. >> eight hours. and i don't think anybody will do that again in the age of twitter. >> well, maybe they should. if they're secure in their own skin, if a politician is secure in his own skin and they can sit down and talk to reporters about what he really believes, okay? over and over, day after day. i think it helps him out in the end. >> a lot of republicans now want to be interviewed about the depth of this defeat. not just for mitt romney but given the demographic problems that the gop now faces, particularly with hispanic voters. they can be more open with the journalists now, do you think? >> i think so. i think you saw a story in the "washington post" right after. it was either the day after or the next day about some of the soul searching that they're doing. i think we're going to be talking about this for a while. >> right. what bothers me is the people who take the pot shots without being quoted. this was
>> yeah, the fact is john mccain, reporters ran out of questions to ask him. i mean, he would talk for -- >> eight-hour rolling press conferences. >> eight hours. and i don't think anybody will do that again in the age of twitter. >> well, maybe they should. if they're secure in their own skin, if a politician is secure in his own skin and they can sit down and talk to reporters about what he really believes, okay? over and over, day after day. i think it helps him out...
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senators including john mccain and lindsey graham say what led americans surrounded the attacks in benghazi. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi? and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmirch her reputation, it's outrageous. >> "outfront" tonight, rand paul of kentucky. he serves on the homeland security committee and senator paul, senator lindsey graham responded, i wanted to quote it. mr. president, don't think for one minute i don't hold you ultimately responsible for benghazi. i think you failed as commander in chief before, during and after the attack. i have no intention of promoting anyone who was up to their eyeballs in the benghazi debacle. >> i think there's two questions. everybody's been emphasizing whether or not it was right for her to go out and say this was caused by some crazy movie made by some low budget person in l.a., but i th
senators including john mccain and lindsey graham say what led americans surrounded the attacks in benghazi. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi? and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmirch her reputation, it's outrageous. >>...
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senator john mccain is one of several republican lawmakers remanding more information from the obama administration on just what the heck happened in benghazi and around benghazi. he's scheduled to give a news conference at the bottom of the hour and we are going to have measure on that. our dana bash has been doing the best she can to take in all of the information. listen, this is tricky. so many of these stories are interconnected. there is a lot of reporting. not all confirmed, but u maybe just start with this. how has this matter worked out that general petraeus will indeed show up on capitol hill and testify voluntarily? >> well, it started with the senate intelligence chairwoman, dianne feinstein telling us yesterday that that was her desire. in her words, that's a big stone left unturned if petraeus doesn't come up here and tell members of congress what he knew about what went on in benghazi, so that's where it started. then late yesterday, members of the senate intelligence committee met and decided it was imperative to invite him. dianne feinstein told our ted barrett that
senator john mccain is one of several republican lawmakers remanding more information from the obama administration on just what the heck happened in benghazi and around benghazi. he's scheduled to give a news conference at the bottom of the hour and we are going to have measure on that. our dana bash has been doing the best she can to take in all of the information. listen, this is tricky. so many of these stories are interconnected. there is a lot of reporting. not all confirmed, but u maybe...
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most people that know john mccain, and i consider him a friend, he would say he's a patriot. he wants to know the truth. this is about what he just said. it's about four people died in benghazi that didn't have to. i think senator mccain is doing his job along with senator graham to get to the bottom and the best the way they know how. and i fully support their actions and their words. >> but they're making this -- they're talking about watergate. they're talking about iran contra. and these false equivalencies that just don't seem to match up. it just doesn't pass the smell test. >> what senator mccain and senator graham have been doing the last couple of weeks is working the senate structure and gate effort government structure to find out what truly happened. senators that have oversight over this issue. that's what they're supposed to do, and that's what they are doing. i'm sorry people are getting ruffled about this, but this is a serious matter. i don't doubt anybody is not upset that we have dead americans. but they are trying the best way they know how within the syst
most people that know john mccain, and i consider him a friend, he would say he's a patriot. he wants to know the truth. this is about what he just said. it's about four people died in benghazi that didn't have to. i think senator mccain is doing his job along with senator graham to get to the bottom and the best the way they know how. and i fully support their actions and their words. >> but they're making this -- they're talking about watergate. they're talking about iran contra. and...
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but republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham said they questioned statements that rice made after four americans were killed in that september attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. it is within the power of a single senator to stop a nomination, which is why the president got his back up today. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmimp her reputation, is outrageous. when they go after the u.n. ambassador apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a problem with me. and should i choose, if i think that she would be the best person to serve america in the capacity of the state department, then i will nominate her. that's a determination i've made yet. >> pelley: this will be a donnybrook. so we asked wyatt andrews to fill us in. >> reporter: ambassador rice i
but republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham said they questioned statements that rice made after four americans were killed in that september attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. it is within the power of a single senator to stop a nomination, which is why the president got his back up today. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after...
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john mccain and lindsay graham are so floored she said that they came out early yesterday and said if president obama nominates him for any cabinet information will do nevering their hower to stop her which did not sit well with the president. >> she made an appearance at the request of a white house and she gave her best understanding of the intelligence provided to her. >> senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody they should go after me. >> senator mccain got called out by the president there but he fired back late last night. >> it is interesting for the president to say something that juvenile. i am not picking on any one. we just said four americans died. is that picking on anybody when you want to place responsibility and find out what happened so that we can make sure it doesn't happen again? >> secretary of state hillary clinton suggested she will step down. she decides susan right they want to hear more and more about. taking a look at who is talking and charles krauthammer responding to the president calling outlaw makers for criticizing ambassa
john mccain and lindsay graham are so floored she said that they came out early yesterday and said if president obama nominates him for any cabinet information will do nevering their hower to stop her which did not sit well with the president. >> she made an appearance at the request of a white house and she gave her best understanding of the intelligence provided to her. >> senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody they should go after me. >>...
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mccain and graham who say they do not trust her. >> if senator john mccain and senator graham want to go after someone they should go after me. i am happy to have that discussion with them. for them to go after the u.n. ambassador would had nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation base the republicans are trying to see would will blink over extensions of the bush operation upper income tax cuts. the president says raising those taxes and corporate taxes would account for half the money needed to avoid the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts the fiscal cliff is made up. he turned the question around warning against letting taxes go up on the middle class. >> what doesn't make sense. our economy can't afford that right now. certainly no middle class family can afford that right now. nobody in either party says they want it to happen. >>reporter: the president begins talks with congressional leaders on friday and they have until the end of the year to reach an agreement. >>shepard: paula broadwell who had an affair with general petraeus admitted she took documen
mccain and graham who say they do not trust her. >> if senator john mccain and senator graham want to go after someone they should go after me. i am happy to have that discussion with them. for them to go after the u.n. ambassador would had nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation base the republicans are trying to see would will blink over extensions of the bush operation upper income tax cuts. the president says raising those taxes and corporate taxes would...
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why has john mccain become this john mccain? he's like the joker in batman. you know, life's been good to me. what happened to that guy? >> i think it's personal peak. i think he never got over 2008. he's got a double standard going on between the two rices, and it's apples and oranges. susan rice had nothing to do with benghazi. condoleezza rice had a lot to do with the war in iraq. and the intelligence there. the comparison is specious on any level. >> why doesn't he ever talk about all the republicans who voted against $300 million that hillary clinton wanted to beef up embassy and consulate security? there are some questions that republicans who opposed that need to answer. that's one of the reasons those people lost their lives. >> it's sad. it's sad to see this deterioration. thank you, ron reagan, and thank you, jonathan alter. you guys were incisive tonight. >>> coming up, there are dog whistles and then there are bull horns, and another republican official is blowing his next. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. so, what hap pens if i'm i
why has john mccain become this john mccain? he's like the joker in batman. you know, life's been good to me. what happened to that guy? >> i think it's personal peak. i think he never got over 2008. he's got a double standard going on between the two rices, and it's apples and oranges. susan rice had nothing to do with benghazi. condoleezza rice had a lot to do with the war in iraq. and the intelligence there. the comparison is specious on any level. >> why doesn't he ever talk...
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>> john mccain and myself we will introduce a resolution asking the majority leader, mitch mcconnell to do a select committee. why do you need one? the state department is under the foreign operations committee foreign relations committee oversight. department of defense is under armed service. if you have three different committees interviewing people separately we won't know what one group will significant sailing. so we should form a committee over department of defense, department of the state and the c.i.a. and ask questions and have a professional approach to this. i think congress would be making a huge mistake, let three committees go off by themselves and not coordinate. >> greta: senator harry reid, his view on a select committee is what? >> i don't know. i don't believe you can get to the truth in a professional way. when you talk to the c.i.a., also you want to talk to the defense, why were these people left hanging for eight hours. the c.i.a., why did you not get ready for an attack people were telling you. state department, god knows how many times did you fail the peop
>> john mccain and myself we will introduce a resolution asking the majority leader, mitch mcconnell to do a select committee. why do you need one? the state department is under the foreign operations committee foreign relations committee oversight. department of defense is under armed service. if you have three different committees interviewing people separately we won't know what one group will significant sailing. so we should form a committee over department of defense, department of...
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he didn't get as many of the mormon vote as john mccain did, governor. i mean -- >> -- i don't understand that. >> laura: we're beyond kind of niceties at this point. >> i'm still nice. >> laura: if you can't get the mormon vote in the same numbers as john mccain, something was really wrong with this campaign. and i like him very much. i think ann is delightful. i love the bushes. these people are wonderful people. but being wonderful and running a great campaign maybe are two different things sometimes. >> one of the problems that the conservatives have. they continue to want a perfect candidate and they are not going to get one. >> laura: sure. >> that's one of the reasons they don't get a perfect candidate well i'm not going to help anybody. when conservatives will give money and they will will actually give their energy and they will accept the fact that whatever candidate they support will have some flaws he won't be perfect. this, i think pushed to perfection ends up leading to anything but the -- you think that's what it was? a push to perfection
he didn't get as many of the mormon vote as john mccain did, governor. i mean -- >> -- i don't understand that. >> laura: we're beyond kind of niceties at this point. >> i'm still nice. >> laura: if you can't get the mormon vote in the same numbers as john mccain, something was really wrong with this campaign. and i like him very much. i think ann is delightful. i love the bushes. these people are wonderful people. but being wonderful and running a great campaign maybe...